Monday, June 13, 2011

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE

According to Scripture/The Bible, we need a word to be confirmed through the mouth of two or more witnesses?  Let us see where the pre-tribulation rapture theory started and what the Bible says.

The Origin of the Pretribulation Rapture Teaching by Brian M. Schwertley

Whenever a Christian encounters a doctrine that has not been taught by anyone in any branch of Christ’s church for over eighteen centuries, one should be very suspect of that teaching. This fact in and of itself does not prove that the new teaching is false. But, it should definitely raise one’s suspicions, for if something is taught in Scripture, it is not unreasonable to expect at least a few theologians and exegetes to have discovered it before. The teaching of a secret pre-tribulation rapture is a doctrine that never existed before 1830. Did the pre-tribulation rapture come into existence by a careful exegesis of Scripture? No. The first person to teach the doctrine was a young woman named Margaret Macdonald. Margaret was not a theologian or Bible expositor but was a prophetess in the Irvingite sect (the Catholic Apostolic Church). Christian journalist Dave MacPherson has written a book on the subject of the origin of the pre-tribulation rapture. He writes: “We have seen that a young Scottish lassie named Margaret Macdonald had a private revelation in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in the early part of 1830 that a select group of Christians would be caught up to meet Christ in the air before the days of Antichrist. An eye-and-ear witness, Robert Norton M.D., preserved her handwritten account of her pre-trib rapture revelation in two of his books, and said it was the first time anyone ever split the second coming into two distinct parts or stages. His writings, along with much other Catholic Apostolic Church literature, have been hidden many decades from the mainstream of Evangelical thought and only recently surfaced. Margaret’s views were well-known to those who visited her home, among them John Darby of the Brethren. Within a few months her distinctive prophetic outlook was mirrored in the September, 1830 issue of The Morning Watch and the early Brethren assembly at Plymouth, England. Early disciples of the pre-trib interpretation often called it a new doctrine.”2

     John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), who was the leader of the Brethren movement and the “father of modern Dispensationalism,” took Margaret Macdonald’s new teaching on the rapture, made some changes (she taught a partial rapture of believers while he taught that all believers would be raptured) and incorporated it into his Dispensational understanding of Scripture and prophecy. Darby would spend the rest of his life speaking, writing and traveling, spreading the new rapture theory. The Plymouth Brethren openly admitted and were even proud of the fact that among their teachings were totally new ones which had never been taught by the church fathers, medieval scholastics, Protestant Reformers or the many commentators.

     The person most responsible for the rather widespread acceptance of Pretribulationalism and Dispensationalism among Evangelicals is Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921). C. I. Scofield published his Scofield Reference Bible in 1909. This Bible, which espoused the doctrines of Darby in its notes, became very popular in Fundamentalist circles. In the minds of many a Bible teacher, fundamentalist pastor and multitudes of professing Christians, Scofield’s notes were practically equated with the word of God itself. If a person did not adhere to the Dispensational, Pretribulational scheme he or she would almost automatically be labeled a modernist.
     Today there is a whole plethora of books advocating the pretribulation rapture theory and the Dispensational understanding of the end times. Given the fact that among professing Christians the pre-trib rapture is still wildly popular, a comparison of this theory with scriptural teaching is warranted. We will see that the typical arguments offered in favor of this theory are in conflict with the Bible.

Many Pastors preach and base the whole Pre-tribulation rapture theory on one Scripture, the following;

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[b]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Yes, I agree, there will be a snatching away to meet our Precious Saviour in the air but let us go to Matthew 24 to see when this event will take place.  If you read the whole book of 1 Thessalonians and what Paul was saying to the Thessalonians, he was trying to encourage them in their faith.  He was encouraging them that no matter what they go through there will be a day when they will be redeemed to meet their King in the air. 

Remember we need scripture to confirm with scripture, two or three witnesses. 

Matthew 24: 2-14 – NOTE: The following verses speak of the beginning of birth pains.  Yahshua/Jesus said to His disciples that there would be earthquakes, wars, famines and the love of many would grow cold.  These events will be the event of birth pains and the start of the tribulation coming upon the face of the earth.



SCRIPTURE:

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age
  
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. (NOTE: notice the escalation of these events in our day)
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. (NOTE: NO pre-tribulation rapture, some believers will be killed) 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. (NOTE: Why would we have to endure if the Believers were raptured out of the mess) 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 24: 15-27 – NOTE: These few verses explain that the Anti-Christ will appear after the above events have unfolded and will take place according to the Book of Daniel.  The Anti-Christ is evident even now in all the world but according to Daniel, Matthew and Revelations One Man will govern the nations having created the One World Babylon System/Rome.  After the Anti-Christ and the One World System has set itself in the Holy Place of Yahweh, people must tremble and fear as great tribulation, disaster and distress will consume planet earth.  Those who are in Messiah Yahshua will not fear but have peace in the King.  Yahshua/Jesus promised His people that in Him we will have peace and we must remain faithful even unto death.

SCRIPTURE:

The Great Tribulation
  
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. (NOTE: NO pre-tribulation rapture has taken place!!!). 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Matthew 24:29:31 – NOTE: These verses explain, AFTER THE EVENTS AS EXPLAINED IN VERSES 2-27 HAVE TAKEN PLACE, MEANING THE TRIBULATION HAS TAKEN PLACE, then Yahshua/Jesus will send His Angel with the sound of the trumpet and gather His elect from the four corners of the earth.

SCRIPTURE:

The Coming of the Son of Man
  
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

In both Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4 it describes that a trumpet will sound and then the elect will be gathered from the four corners of the earth to meet with Yahshua/Jesus in the air.  Let us see what the two silvers trumpets were used for according to Scripture?

Below taken from www.sheepfoldgleanings.com

Numbers 10:1-10    The Silver Trumpets

The silver trumpet is the people’s instrument. “Make two silver trumpets from hammered silver.” This hammering signifies a molding process and silver indicates redemptive qualities. The Priests were in charge of blowing the trumpets. They were to be used to call the Twelve Tribes of Israel together and to signal the camp to move out.  When the two trumpets were sounded together, the whole community was to assemble at the entrance of the Tent of Meeting.  If only one was sounded only the leaders, the heads of the Tribes of Israel were to assemble.  When the trumpets were sounded for moving camp different blasts were used to notify which tribe was to move out. They were also to sound the trumpet going into battle in their own land. Yahweh/God would remember and rescue them from their enemies when He heard the trumpet sound the alarm.  We are to sound the trumpets for rejoicing at the Feasts of Yahweh, the New Moon Festival/Rosh Chodesh and over our elevation and fellowship offerings.

Who are Yahweh’s/God’s Priests and leaders today?  Scripture says that those whose lives are hidden in the Messiah and who teach the gospel; the differences between clean and unclean, holy and unholy according to Scripture and keep and teach Yahweh’s Feast days, Sabbaths and New Moon Festivals are Yeshua’s/Jesus’s Priests today. Those who walk in Yeshua’s/Jesus’s holy ways are called a royal Priesthood and a holy nation. Today blowing the two silver trumpets will call together the unity of believers in Yeshua (the whole House of Israel, all twelve tribes) but if we blow one silver trumpet we summon only leaders. (Exodus 19:5-6; Ezekiel 44:23-24; 1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 1:6)

NOTE: Yahshua/Jesus promised us eternal life in Him and we are to be encouraged that no matter what we go through in this life, we will have eternal peace with Him in His New Kingdom, the New Jerusalem.  He promised us that we would have peace in Him. He promised us His Holy Spirit Who would teach, lead and COMFORT US, that He would never leave nor forsake us. Yahshua/Jesus prayed and said, Father I pray that you do not take them out of the world but that you help them through it. 

Noah was hidden in the Ark but not taken out of the flood, Daniel was thrown into the Lion’s Den but he was protected.  Our faith in our King is going to be tested in the last days, we only need to stand firm even until death and receive the crown of life.

Revelation 14:12

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of YAHWEH/God and the faith of Yeshua/Jesus.
James 1:12

[Loving YAHWEH/God Under Trials] Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (NOTE: Yahshua/Jesus said, if you love Me, you will obey My Commandments)

Revelation 2:10

Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

WE MUST BE FAITHFUL WHEN THESE THINGS COME UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, WE MUST REMAIN FAITHFUL TO OUR KING AND NOT DO AS ISRAEL DID WHEN THEY LEFT EGYPT.  ISRAEL EITHER WANTED TO STAND AND FIGHT, OR GO BACK TO EGYPT WITH THE EGYPTIANS OR KILL THEMSELVES BUT YAHWEH TOLD MOSES, WAIT, STAND STILL AND SEE MY HAND OF REDEMPTION.  NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FACE OR GO THROUGH, WE MUST REMAIN FAITHFUL.  NOTHING IS MORE REWARDING THEN THE KINGDOM OF YAHSHUA/JESUS TO COME AND THE PEACE AND JOY WE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE IN HIM!!!

READ THE BIBLE, IT WILL STRENGTHEN YOU, BE FOREVER ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY AND BE SET-APART UNTO YAHWEH!  TURN AWAY FROM THE LUSTS OF THIS WORLD AND BE FAITHFUL TO THE COMMANDMENTS, INSTRUCTIONS OF OUR KING!

BLESSINGS AND PEACE TO YOU ALL!
A FELLOW SERVANT IN THE KING!
Janine

5 comments:

  1. I have a serious question. I am trying to understand how a post tribber thinks.
    Assuming that the post-tribbers are correct, what are you looking for to know when the tribulation has started?

    Is it a particular war? A powerful leader? A nuclear exchange? Another peace treaty, Another earthquake, another famine, another beheading, another comet, another eclipse? What would the headline on the paper have to read so that I (as a pretribber) know that I was wrong and you were right? Is there a special sign? People falling into sin?

    There have been powerful leaders in the past, and nuclear exhanges, peace treaties, earthquakes, famines, beheadings, comets, eclipses, and wars against Israel in the past. People have been sinning since Adam.

    Seriously, I am trying to establish an event where you can say that you were right and I was wrong. Would they have to start doing animal sacrifices on the Temple? Do you have to wait for the abomination of desolation? Do we have to wait until almost the mid-point of the tribulation to know for sure when it started?

    The only sign I would know about was that I saw the first seal opened in heaven. But if I weren't there to see it, how would I know that it happened?

    Exactly what are we looking for to see who the winner is? And it can't be a monetary bet. Because if I win, you can't pay me. If you win, I would pay you. So it is not an even bet.

    Seriously. What would a pre-tribber see as a sign that they were wrong? When would I know that it was time to repent?

    Let me know. harpazo.sept.2011@gmail.com.

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    From: Janine Bouwer View Contact
    To: harpazo.sept.2011@gmail.com

    Shalom and Greetings in the wonderful Name of our King and Saviour Yahshua Messiah/Jesus,

    Firstly I want to say thank you for writing as it shows that you are being obedient to scripture when it says that we are to seek with all of our heart and then we will find the truth.

    Secondly I am trusting in the guidance of the Ruach/Holy Spirit to give me the words to write as my own words mean nothing. It is the Spirit of Elohim/God that knows the character of our Father and reveals truth. Praise be to His Name forever.

    I too use to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture until I started seeking the truth and saw what it said in scripture. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you believe or what I believe, it doesn't matter what man says but the Word of Yahweh/God will speak for itself. Yahweh/God will fulfill His Word according to His Word and will. The Word has been around for a long time and like a broken telephone, many of us have gotten the wrong message at the end of the line. To much of mans own teachings and understanding has formed what we call the gospel today. We need to filter out all the rubbish that has been added and only drink the pure spiritual water that is without spot or blemish, the Word of Yahshua/Jesus. His Word will wash us clean. Again I want to stress that it doesn't matter what you believe or I believe but it is important to know what is in the Word of Yahweh/God.
    Let us see what the Scriptures say?

    As mentioned in the Scriptures, a word is confirmed and established through the mouth of two or three witnesses. The Word will never contradict itself and one verse will always confirm itself by another verse.

    According to scripture, there is no such word as rapture found in the Bible but Theologians teach that the word rapture comes from the Latin word “rapio” for the two words “caught up” used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

    The following scriptures confirm that the Saints of Yahshua/Jesus will be CAUGHT UP, GATHERED from the four corners of the earth to be forever with Yahweh/God but it does not show when this event will take place. Matt 24 shows when this event will take place.
    1 Corinthians 15:52-58
    52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[a]
    55 “ O Death, where is your sting?[b]
    O Hades, where is your victory?”[c]


    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.


    According to Revelations 14:14-20 there will be two harvests of the earth, one harvest of the saints to everlasting life and the 2nd a harvest of the wicked to judgement and wrath.

    The above scriptures reveal that there will be an event where we will be caught up to meet our King in the air but it does not say when? Both verses in Cor and Thess reveal that before we are caught up, an acrchangel will sound a trumpet and then we will be caught up. Let us go to Matt 24 to see when this trumpet will be sounded.

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  3. Matt 24:31

    31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. - Revelations 14:14-20

    Let us see what happens before the event in Matt 24:31
    v7: Nation shall rise against nation, scarcity of food and deadly diseases and earthquakes - THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF BIRTH PAINS
    v9: We will be killed and hated by nations for His Names sake
    v10: Many shall stumble and deliver eachother up
    v11: Many false prophets shall rise up and lead many astray
    v15: THIS EVENT HAPPENS BEFORE THE "RAPTURE" The abomination that lays waste spoken of by Daniel the prophet, set up in the set-apart place, he who reads let him understand.
    v21 explains that when we SEE this man, who is filled with the serpent of old, Lucifer, who will be known as the antichrist setting himself up, then we must know that alot of bad things are going to happen. Revelations explains that there will first be the wrath of Lucifer and then Yahweh, God Almighty is going to pour out His wrath.

    v21 says : For THEN THERE SHALL BE GREAT DISTRESS such as HAS NOT BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD UNTIL THIS TIME, NO NOT EVER SHALL BE.

    Yes, there has been Hitler and there have been many wars, famines ect, but when this ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, which will be lead by THIS ONE WORLD LEADER, there will be great tribulation like never before. Everything is happning on a greater scale more now then ever before. There has been a great increase in natural disasters in the past few months, are these the beginning of birth pains spoken of in Matt 24:8

    Matthew shows us that we will see the Antichrist set himself up in the most holy place and it is not strange to think that the Jewish people do want to build the 3rd Temple in Israel. They have the cornerstone and all the materials ready. The alter of Yahweh/God, when built on earth, is a symbol of Yahweh's authority on earth. How much more do you think the enemy will want to defile it. So yes, we will see this one world dictator, who has the masses following him, set himself up in a place that is regarded as holy to Yahweh/God.

    Noah was in the boat when the waters flooded the earth. He was protected in the boat but went through the disaster and not taken out from it. The blood of the lambs protected the first born of Israel in Egypt but those who do not have the Blood covering of Yahshua/Jesus will not be protected.

    According to Matt we will SEE the Antichrist revealed and disaster is going to follow and we still have not been caught away.

    v22 Days will be shortened because no flesh will survive if Yahweh does not do so.
    v24 Great signs and wonders will be shown through false prophets - we haven't seen any of that yet.
    v29 The sun shall be darkened and the moon will not give its light. With all these events happening we still have not been taken out. Has the sun been darkened and the moon not given its light, no but we will see this.
    v30-31 Only after all the above has taken place will we be gathered and taken up.

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  4. In the book of Daniel 7 + 9 and Revelations 17, it explains that the abomination of desolation who sets himself up is a leader of a one world government. Consider the UN, European Union, what have these people, including the likes of George Bush, Tony Blair, been trying to create and achieve - A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT! Scripture states that 10 kingdoms will be set up, and 7 of them will give their authority and power to the beast. Theyre moving to a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND ONE WORLD RELIGION as we speak.

    This is all unfolding before our eyes but the countries have not all folded under the idea as yet but very soon they will and it will happen speedily. North America is already trying to join with Canada and Mexico to create a North America Union, weve already got an African Union etc. Where do you think this is all leading to and the devil is orchestrating it all and using his servants to do his work.

    Revelation 12:17
    New King James Version (NKJV)

    17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of Yahweh/God and have the testimony of Yahshua/Jesus Christ.


    I recieved the following email this morning from a sister in the faith and I confirm every single word.

    Be blessed my friend and may you continue to seek, live to obey His Commandments and the love of Messiah Yahshua be deep in your heart always. We must keep our eyes on Him and not men and be ready when He comes and even now.

    Blessings
    Janine

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  5. Prophecy - 16 June 2011 - Flip van Coller

    While praying, I was led to wrote these words...

    There comes a time and an hour when the whole earth will be shaken and every man will gasp with fear and believe not their eyes. This day is close, closer than you may think; the day terror will rain on the face of the earth. Then the people will run around in circles, confused and they will see no outcome. This will not only happen in Israel, but will be across the whole world....everybody will see Me...My power and My strength.

    Everybody will know that it is to late and those who do not know Me will fall into a state of panic and their legs will grow weak. They will flee in their confusion and seek for an outcome but My hand will be pulled back till the very end. They will embrace the Enemy’s aid and be like puppets following the strong. But My people will hear My Voice and follow Me wherever I lead them through the wilderness.

    Like as in the days of Noah, so shall it be... Like in the days of Moses and Elijah, so shall it be... The Enemy shall come and fear will overpower people seeing things they have seen in Movies. The Enemy shall come in his power, strength and majesty causing people to follow him through fear and panic, becoming like clay in his hands.

    My people, the flock of My pastures shall see Me and hear Me, they will follow like Israel followed Moses. They will find their rest and peace in Me.

    The Enemy will seek out My prophets, hunt them down and kill them, the Watchman I have anointed and called to fulfil My purpose. But I will lead my people and those who follow Me will not be entrapped by the Enemy, but they will find their peace in Me.

    The heavens will be shaken and you will see things more dramatic than you can ever imagine, all the things spoken of in My Word.

    I will stretch out my hand to those who know Me, those who follow Me. The time is close and you must prepare your selves for the time that is to come. Do not lean on your own strength or provision, I will look after you. Like I did with Israel, I will I feed you and nourish you with water from a rock. You will see that I am the Almighty and that My Word is true.

    Everything will happen again like it did in the past, parallel and compact...history upon history...time upon time...the waves of prophecy will overcome you as I make My Word true through your lives. You will see that I am YHVH and that there are no other than Me. Those who will follow the Enemy will see that I am God and that there is no one higher than Me.

    I will laugh from on high, from the heaven, as I trample My enemies under My feet. Follow Me and live...follow the Enemy and become like dust under My feet. You will be a testimony of My Power.

    Prepare! The time is near! I come with fire in my hands and will cast it down onto the earth to cleanse it from all unrighteousness and to prepare the way for My Presence. I come and My coming is near! Tell people let them know, it will soon be to late!

    Everybody will see that I am the End, the One that brings an end to all unrighteousness and Who cleanses everything. They will see that I am the Beginning, the One Who will restore everything and make it new like I planned it to be in the beginning.

    Be part of My Plan, take My hand and I will lead you through the Jordan, so that you can taste My rest and my peace, so that you can be with Me forever.

    You are invited and my invitation stands. Call the poor, the blind, the cripple and those who can’t hear. Call them and let them come close, for the Feast Table is prepared and My Father awaits the arrival of His children coming home. I knock, open up! The Door will soon close and those on the outside will note taste My peace. Come, while there is still time. Crown Me as your King and I will make you My Bride. I love you and await your answer. I am the One Who was, Who is and is to come. My time is near.

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